From Oregon to Vietnam to China: Owen Sutter on Ethical Making, Art, and Life in Motion
In this episode, we sit down with Owen Sutter—an Oregonian who crossed the Pacific in search of opportunity, challenge, and a life that would never feel boring. From the chaotic charm of Ho Chi Minh City to the hyper-efficient pace of Shenzhen, Owen’s story reflects what happens when you place yourself at the edge of comfort and let the world reshape you.
We talk about ethical manufacturing, cultural immersion, and why Owen built a travel backpack brand, XOÀI Packs, rooted in transparency and fair labor. We explore the differences between Vietnamese warmth and Chinese ambition, the loneliness and beauty of building community from scratch, and how oil painting unexpectedly became his anchor in a new city.
At its core, this conversation is about designing a life the way you design a product: with intention, curiosity, and an open heart.
Key Themes
- Identity & culture in motion
- Living abroad as a catalyst for personal reinvention
- Ethical supply chains & transparent product pricing
- Individualism vs. collectivism across cultures
- Community-building in Vietnam and Shenzhen
- Art as mindfulness & meaning-making
- Creativity, risk, and designing a non-boring life
- The philosophy of liminal spaces
Takeaways
- Liminal spaces help us understand who we are becoming.
- Cultural immersion—done honestly—reshapes worldview and values.
- Transparency in pricing and production can benefit both maker and buyer.
- Career pivots during COVID required self-advocacy and courage.
- Vietnam taught Owen the power of community, warmth, and slowing down.
- Ethical manufacturing demands more than certifications; it requires care.
- Work-life balance dramatically differs across Asia.
- Painting helps Owen appreciate the world with more attention and presence.
- Building community in Shenzhen requires intention; hustle culture can isolate.
- Designing a travel backpack was as much about designing a life.
- Keeping an open heart invites opportunities you couldn’t plan for.
- Avoiding a “boring life” became a guiding principle.
- Being in a liminal space often opens more doors than it closes.
Chapters
00:00 — Exploring Liminal Spaces
01:14 — Introducing Owen Sutter
01:58 — The Backpack Business & Transparent Pricing
04:08 — Growing Up in the Pacific Northwest
06:13 — Career Pathfinding During COVID
08:19 — How the Pandemic Shaped Opportunity
12:40 — First Impressions of Vietnam
15:14 — Individualism vs. Collectivism
18:45 — Early Influences and Emerging Goals
23:16 — Inside Vietnam’s Manufacturing Ecosystem
27:41 — Supply Chain Challenges & Factory Realities
30:28 — Cultural Differences in Problem-Solving
33:48 — The Rising Potential of Vietnam
36:25 — Building Community Abroad
41:32 — Navigating Culture in Daily Life
44:15 — The Leap to Shenzhen
46:05 — Art as Expression & Mindfulness
50:36 — Finding an Artistic Community
54:54 — Challenges of Making Friends in Shenzhen
58:35 — Building the Travel Backpack Business
01:02:47 — Ethical Manufacturing & Values
01:06:28 — Vision for XOÀI Packs & Personal Growth
01:09:33 — Immersing in China’s Complexity
01:14:28 — Designing Life Through Opportunity
01:20:44 — Creative Recommendations & Closing
Owen's backpack project: www.xoaipacks.com
Email for inquiries: Owen@xoaipacks.com
Owen’s Newly Published Travel Writing: https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/84984-2/
01:14 — Introducing Owen Sutter
01:58 — The Backpack Business & Transparent Pricing
04:08 — Growing Up in the Pacific Northwest
06:13 — Career Pathfinding During COVID
08:19 — How the Pandemic Shaped Opportunity
12:40 — First Impressions of Vietnam
15:14 — Individualism vs. Collectivism
18:45 — Early Influences and Emerging Goals
23:16 — Inside Vietnam’s Manufacturing Ecosystem
27:41 — Supply Chain Challenges & Factory Realities
30:28 — Cultural Differences in Problem-Solving
33:48 — The Rising Potential of Vietnam
36:25 — Building Community Abroad
41:32 — Navigating Culture in Daily Life
44:15 — The Leap to Shenzhen
46:05 — Art as Expression & Mindfulness
50:36 — Finding an Artistic Community
54:54 — Challenges of Making Friends in Shenzhen
58:35 — Building the Travel Backpack Business
01:02:47 — Ethical Manufacturing & Values
01:06:28 — Vision for XOÀI Packs & Personal Growth
01:09:33 — Immersing in China’s Complexity
01:14:28 — Designing Life Through Opportunity
01:20:44 — Creative Recommendations & Closing
Owen's backpack project: www.xoaipacks.com
Email for inquiries: Owen@xoaipacks.com
Owen’s Newly Published Travel Writing: https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/84984-2/
This podcast is brought to you by C^2 Collective, a multicultural nonprofit community empowering young people across China and beyond to think curiously, connect across cultures, and create positive change. We host events, run a social innovation network, and publish the Curation^2 newsletter @ https://csquared-collective.com/
Music by Megan Tan
Art by Cindy Zhang
从俄勒冈到越南再到中国:Owen Sutter 谈伦理制造、艺术与一段“在路上”的人生
在本期节目中,我们与 Owen Sutter 对谈——一位从俄勒冈跨越太平洋、寻找机会、挑战,以及“不无聊的人生”的年轻人。从胡志明市的混乱魅力,到深圳的高速律动,Owen 的旅程展示了:当一个人甘愿站在舒适区边缘,让世界重新塑造你时,会发生什么。
我们聊到 伦理制造、文化沉浸,以及他为何打造了透明定价、注重公平劳动的旅行背包品牌 XOÀI Packs。我们也讨论越南式的温暖与中国式的雄心之间的差异、在异乡从零建立社区的孤独与美感,以及为什么油画竟成了他在深圳扎根的方式。
归根到底,这期节目探讨的,是如何像设计产品一样——以 意图、好奇、与一颗敞开的心——来设计人生。
核心主题
- 身份与文化的流动
- 海外生活如何成为自我重塑的催化剂
- 伦理供应链与透明定价
- 个人主义与集体主义的文化差异
- 在越南与深圳建立社区
- 艺术作为正念与意义的来源
- 创造力、风险,以及拒绝“无聊人生”
- “过渡空间”(liminal space)的哲学
收获要点
- 过渡空间帮助我们理解正在成为的自己。
- 真诚的文化沉浸会重塑价值观与人生观。
- 透明的生产与定价,对消费者与生产者都有益。
- COVID 时期的职业转向需要自我争取与勇气。
- 越南教会了 Owen 社区、温暖和生活节奏的力量。
- 伦理制造不仅是认证,更是一种关怀。
- 亚洲各地的工作文化与生活平衡差异巨大。
- 绘画让人以更专注的方式欣赏世界。
- 在深圳建立社区需要刻意行动;“奋斗文化”容易让人孤立。
- 设计旅行背包,也是设计人生的一部分。
- 保持一颗敞开的心,会迎来意想不到的机遇。
- “不要过无聊人生”成为他的准则。
- 身处“过渡空间”,往往能看到更多可能。
章节结构
00:00 — 探索 Liminal Spaces
01:14 — 认识 Owen Sutter
01:58 — 背包品牌与透明定价
04:08 — 成长于美国西北
06:13 — COVID 期间的职业探索
08:19 — 疫情如何改变机会
12:40 — 对越南的第一印象
15:14 — 个人主义 vs. 集体主义
18:45 — 早期影响与未来目标
23:16 — 越南制造业的内部生态
27:41 — 供应链挑战与工厂现实
30:28 — 文化差异与问题解决方式
33:48 — 越南的潜力
36:25 — 在海外建立社区
41:32 — 日常生活中的文化碰撞
44:15 — 移居深圳的跃迁
46:05 — 艺术、表达与正念
50:36 — 寻找艺术社群
54:54 — 在深圳交朋友的挑战
58:35 — 构建旅行背包事业
01:02:47 — 伦理制造与价值观
01:06:28 — XOÀI Packs 的愿景与个人成长
01:09:33 — 深度融入中国
01:14:28 — 用机会设计人生
01:20:44 — 创意推荐与结束语
01:14 — 认识 Owen Sutter
01:58 — 背包品牌与透明定价
04:08 — 成长于美国西北
06:13 — COVID 期间的职业探索
08:19 — 疫情如何改变机会
12:40 — 对越南的第一印象
15:14 — 个人主义 vs. 集体主义
18:45 — 早期影响与未来目标
23:16 — 越南制造业的内部生态
27:41 — 供应链挑战与工厂现实
30:28 — 文化差异与问题解决方式
33:48 — 越南的潜力
36:25 — 在海外建立社区
41:32 — 日常生活中的文化碰撞
44:15 — 移居深圳的跃迁
46:05 — 艺术、表达与正念
50:36 — 寻找艺术社群
54:54 — 在深圳交朋友的挑战
58:35 — 构建旅行背包事业
01:02:47 — 伦理制造与价值观
01:06:28 — XOÀI Packs 的愿景与个人成长
01:09:33 — 深度融入中国
01:14:28 — 用机会设计人生
01:20:44 — 创意推荐与结束语
相关链接
Owen 的背包项目:www.xoaipacks.com
商业合作邮箱:Owen@xoaipacks.com
Owen’s 新出版的旅游文章: https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/84984-2/
商业合作邮箱:Owen@xoaipacks.com
Owen’s 新出版的旅游文章: https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/84984-2/
关于本播客
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音乐:Megan Tan
视觉设计:Cindy Zhang
视觉设计:Cindy Zhang